My heart is broken.

[marguerite_krux]

Bury it
I won't let you bury it
I won't let you smother it
I won't let you murder it

Our time is running out
You can't push it underground
You can't stop it screaming out
How did it come to this?

No more Weir.

I respect Torri's decision, I really do. Who would want to stick around with The Asses That Be after the way they treated her? Sure, she could get one more ep, an appearance that maybe exceeds ten seconds and a line of dialogue this time, but at the expense of her dignity and integrity? Hell no. I totally get and support her decision.

And I hate the writers for giving her such a crappy offer. It's like they WANTED her to turn them down, make the fans blame Torri instead. Yeah right. I know where to put the blame- squarely at the feet of the idiots who decided to axe her in the first place. 

This nanite!Weir storyline was just to appease the fans, and they clearly didn't know what they were doing, they were just flailing at 'zomg, Weir is POPULAR, we just killed her, hell, what do we do now?' It was the lazy plot device to get rid of her and their obligation to writing her in a responsible and dedicated fashion, while still stringing along the viewers and amping up interest in the few Weir eps in season 4. How clever they must have thought themselves. They get out of developing her character while still looking like good guys by granting her the enormous favor of an appearance or two. 

Well, Torri has more self-respect than going back for a lame deal that would only further hurt the fans of the character. Now that I know she's not coming back, hopefully I can recover from the rubbish that was season 4 and concentrate on fics and vids and worshipping seasons 1-3 instead. It's not closure- that would've been resolving the Weir teaser from BAMSR- but at least I can get on with life, rather than hoping and praying for her reappearance.

I just WISH...wish wish wish that they had given her the same deal as Paul- 5 eps. She wouldn't have turned that down, if they'd given her a real role, some semblance of development, all she ever wanted was for Weir to be respected as a character and given some depth. And one ep was never going to do justice to her, or to Torri.

If only things didn't have to end this way. I feel so depressed right now.

Comments

[justhere1971.livejournal.com]

I think we are all in this stage. I am glad she's the one leaving on her own terms this time around, rather than being surprised. Know what I mean?

As for the 5 deals for Paul, we haven't seen the episodes yet. Keller exists as full time. I can't imagine what mess this will create.

[borg-princess.livejournal.com]

I'm glad at least, that she was the one that made the decision. Although it's hard to say she had a choice when the role they were offering was negligible. I don't know how they can say, with a straight face, that what they did to Weir from FS onwards has been intended to develop her more and give her a cool arc when it simply led to her disappearing, dying twice, returning for 30 secs and then concluding in ONE PALTRY EP. There are so many possiblities stemming from the final scene of BAMSR alone, and they were going to wrap it up in one ep? No way, I don't believe they were seriously planning on doing Weir justice and good for Torri that she had her dignity and rejected them. I hope that felt good.

And as for Carson...it's ridiculous, they killed him, there was no ascension as far as we know, no one beamed him out at the last second, and he's not an alien, imposter, hologram or AU character, so...WHY THE HELL would they choose to develop him more than Weir, when there are tons of fantastic ideas they could've used to further her storyline?

At least we're not going to be tortured with how much worse they can screw Weir over anymore.

*sighs* I don't know what I'm supposed to do now. There's nothing else that'll ever be as good or make me feel as euphoric as SGA. It was pretty much as close to perfect as a show got, you know? Excellent setting and storylines, awesome ship, fun and affectionate group dynamic...I miss the ol' days. *iz maudlin*

[sapphs.livejournal.com]

May I point you over to joemisaprat?

[borg-princess.livejournal.com]

AHAHA! *dies laughing*

Just when I thought LJ couldn't possibly get any better...amazing, it really caters to my every need!

[alternate0ego.livejournal.com]

*stares*

Oh. Oh god.

I always thought she was going to come back. It's half the reason I watched S4 - I always thought she would come back in the end. It's why I never really grieved when she was taken out, not like I did when Carson died (because I thought he was a goner). And now Liz is really, really gone from canon, and so is my OTP... and all I can think about is how we're going to have Woolsey sitting in Elizabeth's chair, in her office.

Oh god.

[borg-princess.livejournal.com]

*hugs* This is utterly devastating. I haven't told anyone in my family yet because they'd think I was crazy, but you understand.

I was just so intrigued at seeing what they were going to do with her after seeing that 'captain on the bridge' teaser from BAMSR and now, knowing that it's never going to happen...really doubly truly hurts. I just have no respect for people who'd come up with such an interesting arc [unnecessary, 'coz she was FINE as she was, but tantalizing nonetheless, if it had to happen] and then ditch it because they don't like her. It's not about how you personally feel, it's about maintaining respect for the character and the fans who adore that character beyond all reason. It's so unprofessional to immediately scrap someone just because you don't like them, without considering the ramifications for the show and its viewers. They can't argue that they didn't know what to do with her- because dude, the possibilities were literally ENDLESS and they still couldn't be bothered taking her seriously and giving her some respect and developing a storyline worth a damn. One ep. *scoffs*

I have no idea how Carson fits into all this, but Weir would've worked so much better in terms of the show's direction. I love Carson, and he died randomly and foolishly and I hate them for it. Weir? Really dreadful things happened to her, and she was written out in a heroic manner, saving the team, then returning and saving them again, then turning up mysterious and elegant and SO AWESOME and that opened up so many possibilities for her character but they squander their opportunity to do something worthwhile with her. *iz disgusted*

[alternate0ego.livejournal.com]

I was just so intrigued at seeing what they were going to do with her after seeing that 'captain on the bridge' teaser from BAMSR

I know. IT WAS SO COOL! And they screwed up totally. One episode? ONE? DX TPTB, YOU SUCK.

I'm really beginning to consider the possibility that it's sexism.... I never did before, because it seems like people have a habit of throwing around that accusation without solid basis, but now... well. All the evidence seems to point in that direction. Either that, or I'm imagining things. :(

[borg-princess.livejournal.com]

No, I'm going with the 'sexist jerks' theory- Teyla's taken a backseat, Weir's ditched, Carter was basically invisible that whole fiasco of a season, and Keller's the juvenile fantasy of the perfect biddable, acquiescent, adoring woman to male minds that never matured past adolescence. Now they're bringing in Alex[?] Vega, this fiery, feisty new soldier. *gags* Their track record with respecting and developing female characters obviously shows they're in no position to be adding females to the roster and I despise them for reducing it to the 'token' female role, rather than one meaningful and significant in itself, like Weir. She wasn't gratuitous or wallpaper, just some pleasant background scenery, her character contributed and was part of the team and the idea that a succession of random under-developed anonymous females can fill the hole left by her is ridiculous and implausible and just plain stupid.

[borg-princess.livejournal.com]

Okay, I was on my soapbox again.

More in response to your post:

I really am so sorry for you- I'd given up on the show except for Torri's eps, but you gave them a chance to prove themselves and then this kick to fans when we're down and hurting...I was already prejudiced and I have no idea how you managed to keep going on and having faith in them and then this happens... *hugs tighter*

all I can think about is how we're going to have Woolsey sitting in Elizabeth's chair, in her office.

That really is the most awful image. They can't possibly sink any lower, can they?

I always knew Carson was coming back, so that helped me get through Sunday. And I heard Torri was coming back, so I had hope and I could be optimistic for her future...this just sucks ten times worse now, after all that optimism.

I'm not giving up my OTP, though. I'm still into fanfic and fanvids and I don't care what's happening in canon, nothing after Sunday happened in my universe and that's the way it is. *nods firmly*

[alternate0ego.livejournal.com]

I have no idea how you managed to keep going on and having faith in them

It wasn't faith in them, exactly, just a hope that things would turn out all right... and, okay, a hope that they'd get their act together. Apparently the Asses That Be are more idiotic than I imagined. :(

They can't possibly sink any lower, can they?

Nope. Well actually, they could - ah, never mind. No, they can't. It's scientifically impossible. DX

I'm not giving up my OTP, though. I'm still into fanfic and fanvids and I don't care what's happening in canon, nothing after Sunday happened in my universe and that's the way it is. *nods firmly*

That's exactly my thinking. I don't care what they do in canon - to me, Elizabeth will always be alive. I will always write for season 3 (before Sunday), which IMO, was the best season of all four. Carter? Keller? Keller who? ;)

[borg-princess.livejournal.com]

Hey, just getting back on LJ after a week off, lol.

I will always write for season 3 (before Sunday), which IMO, was the best season of all four. Carter? Keller? Keller who? ;)

It alway surprises me when people say that season 3 wasn't that great, because it was really one of the best seasons barring Sunday/FS.

The only good thing about their slackness in character development is that I can, if I want, watch eps 18 and 19- Submersion and Vengeance, because there's no mention of Carson's death and everyone's operating as usual. The standard explanation is that because the producers don't control which eps will be aired by the networks and the order in which this happens, and especially considering repeats, they don't like to drag out the repercussions of a character's death because it'll confuse people, the casual viewers, who might randomly tune in and not know who Carson is and what happened to him and don't care. *rolls eyes* So typical that they just carry on and ignore the effects of his death on the team so that these hypothetical clueless viewers won't be overwhelmed or confused.

[Although...I admit, the first Farscape ep I watched put me off because I gathered that the Crichton who tried to hug Aeryn wasn't 'her' Crichton and had been a clone and died or something...I just couldn't be bothered figuring it out and switched off, but Farscape was always a soapie-in-space, which means they got to explore arcs and growth in the characters, so this is a totally different situation]

I'm surprised at how much I like season 1- I thought there wasn't enough Weir in it, but she had her moments. I really liked the banter in 'The Storm', where McKay sends Shep off to the furthest reaches of the city...

Sheppard: I'm here.
McKay: I told you to contact me when you go to the first one, Major.
Sheppard: I am at the first one, Rodney.
McKay: Oh, sorry. I've already done mine.
Sheppard: Oh, great. Good for you.
Weir: Me, too. [just paying the hell out of him!]
Sheppard: Good for everyone.
McKay: Where are you now?
Sheppard: I'm at the damn grounding station.
McKay: No no no, not you.
Weir: I'm in the transporter.
McKay: There you are.
Weir[in that voice that makes me squee]: There I am.
Sheppard: Glad everybody's having such a good time

Just so adorable, I love the team dynamic here!

Carter? Keller? Keller who? ;)

Well, the people running the virtual season 4 have brought up some interesting ideas- that Carson might be injured from Sunday, and that he would decide to take on the research department, rather than the practical 'let's wipe up the blood and stick a bandage on it' side of medicine. I mean, his major eps were all ones where he was doing experimental medicine and synthesizing cures and wonder-drugs, etc. So I rather liked that idea. Keller would be fine as a junior department head- I mean, stitching up people, giving them something for? Too easy, I could see that work- and as his subordinate, he could be a mentor to her and help her overcome that annoying lack of confidence and social ineptness. I could see them just making the infirmary all light and sweetness, you know?

But Carter has no place on Atlantis. I think the virtual s4 people want to incorporate the nanite-arc into it, because it's so major, but I don't want Carter there!