Argh

[marguerite_krux]

I'm on a short fuse these days, it's like I'm turning into my father. If I see something that pisses me off, I start spouting my opinions, regardless of whether it's the right forum for it or whether the audience is going to care or if it even really matters. It might be a little thing that isn't important but OMFG, does it irritate me. Like this gem on the Gateworld site

SGAforever: "Torri Higginson was asked back and she quit. I guess her fans don't mean anything to her. Well the show is doing fine without her. This is just proof of that..."

I was so angry and just boiled over. I hate narrow-minded, judgmental, obnoxious people like this. Firstly, how can she realistically make this claim about Torri? Based on the facts? Does she know NOTHING at all about what happened, or does she just ignore facts in favor of making ignorant and biased statements? Secondly, I thought Gateworld policed anti-actor sentiments, I've gotten in trouble for saying stuff about Amanda [which was how I met alyssa22, lol], yet this kind of thing is acceptable? Thirdly, our definition of 'doing fine' is wildly different. Keller as a main, embroiled in love triangles and multiple abduction cliffhangers, as opposed to Elizabeth, she who has risked her life for the city and sacrificed herself to save others on more than one occasion. Denigrating Zelenka and quadri-boobaging the blandified, dummy!Carter, as opposed to witty Zelenka/McKay banter and intelligent character development. Kirk!Shep as opposed to Mensa!Shep. Splitting the team as opposed to building team dynamics. Yeahhh, the quality of the show has improved majorly.

Anyway, I'm not sure if my comment will get deleted for being off-topic or whatever, but I had to reply. All these stupid people with their prejudiced, delusional views. At least one of them needs to be set straight.

"In response to SGAforever's comment about Torri- the Torri fans I know support her decision not to return to SGA. In First Strike, after Weir was injured, Torri was given the option of walking away then or coming back and filming Weir's exit from the show- I would've been angry at the people firing me, but she chose to be dignified and came back OUT OF RESPECT for her fans rather than leave us with the horror of FS.  
 
Her last episode was BAMSR, in which she had about 30 seconds of screentime- how generous! After that sort of treatment, why would she want to come back for one more measly episode? Torri didn't choose to leave in the first place, she was written out, and suggesting she has no respect for her fans is an undeserved slur against her. Criticize and insult Weir, the character, all you like- making this kind of accusation against the actress is mean-spirited."

And a more on-topic reply...this was in response to the all-new all-female team. Lara Croft wannabes, I suppose? Plus Nicole deBoer of Star Trek: DS9 fame. I'm sensing a theme here- Amanda takes over Torri's place, Jewel takes over Paul's, now Nicole enters the scene...it is so obvious that they're replacing well-loved characters with 'name' actors, and it's such a sell-out for them to compromise the quality of the show just to try and boost the ratings for a few eps, while harming the show's quality and reputation in the long run. 

"I'm disgusted by how transparent and manipulative this all-girls team gimmick is. They want to bring in a team of models, including a well-known sci-fi actress from another much-loved show? First Amanda and Jewel, now Nicole. It's an obvious ploy for better ratings, rather than a genuine, heartfelt attempt to redress the male-female imbalance on the show, because they had that chance before and they squandered it. They wasted a wonderful character like Weir by ditching her despite all her potential- so much more could've been done with the replicator 'character development', and they dropped the ball on that. As for Teyla, she's barely more than wallpaper, she's glorified background scenery for all the attention the writers give her. And then she literally disappears! How symbolic is that? Kate, we barely knew before they killed her off, though the few scenes she had established her as a compassionate and caring and compelling character. Laura Cadman was funny and sarcastic and gelled well with the other characters, yet she disappeared somewhere along the way. My point is- the writers' track record of writing female characters is abysmal. They had these wonderful women and they wasted so many opportunities to develop them and use them to advance the show. It's hypocritical to now try and convince us that they're worried about the lack of women on the show and they're doing their best to address that...they should've kept these characters and then we wouldn't have a lack of women. It's that simple!"

Comments

[anuna-81.livejournal.com]

Nicole DeBOER???? *snorts* Oh that's frakking great idea! I liked Ezri but she couldn't measure up to Jadzia. Nothing like the real thing, right?

I don't think they have any frakking idea what they're doing. All those new characters will be just pretty wallpapers, there will be more boys with toys, aliens with boobs to stick them into Shep's face, sheylas will get few token moments and Rodney will go from stupid - obnoxious to intolerable. Keller will be the whore of the show and plots will be cringe worthy. Add big fuckin' explosions and voila - boys at Bridge will be wetting their pants. Show will be canceled, hopefully.

Bring me the fanfic!

All those new characters will be just pretty wallpapers

[sharpes-hussy.livejournal.com]

Thank you for verbalizing my feelings not only about Torri, but

'Rodney will go from stupid - obnoxious to intolerable'

I have honestly tried to find some reason why Sheppard puts up with him............because I cannot
The eps that really made my eyes bleed was Rodney,
Keller and Carter in some sort of a shaft. I kept thinking 'if only it was permanent'

I am wondering how Flanigan feels about this, given his character is on the line, a character he says he really likes, if this ship begins to sink.......

Re: All those new characters will be just pretty wallpapers

[anuna-81.livejournal.com]

I think JF doesn't like it at all.

Re: All those new characters will be just pretty wallpapers

[sharpes-hussy.livejournal.com]

Concur
I heard he said, during a convention, that he does NOT want SGA to become a clone for SG1.....and he said a guest once in awhile, but nothing more.
I frankly don't either....
I don't want SGA to become a resurrection of SG1.
They had their shot, so they ought to move on.
As far as moving into camp genre, as they seem
bent on doing, I would think he might just
ask them to kill Sheppard and move on himself.
I would, before a character I love turned into some sort of camp figure.

Re: All those new characters will be just pretty wallpapers

[anuna-81.livejournal.com]

I hate what they are doing with John - turning a smart, compelling character into stupid womanizer. *sigh* If the killed him off I think I wouldn't be sad... rather relieved.

Mind that I adore John (but I prefer Elizabeth).

Re: All those new characters will be just pretty wallpapers

[sharpes-hussy.livejournal.com]

rather than turning into a camp figure, I would see him off world...carried back to Atlantis for some time in ICU, but not to survive.........
As much as I love Sheppard, I would rather see this happen than to continue down the road of a lolli sucking womanizer......

Re: All those new characters will be just pretty wallpapers

[anuna-81.livejournal.com]

Well, Larrin idea is just disastrous, and sheyla I won't even comment. Ever since The Sanctuary there's been this.... aura of stupid, skirt - following flyboy about him,a nd that's not the same person I saw flip that coin in The Rising. I like him troubled and dark. I'm a sparky shipper, and one of the reasons for that is that he seemed to change for the better in his interactions with Elizabeth. With that gone, he is less interesting... and when they force some kind of relationship on him, well that just looks so wrong.

Re: All those new characters will be just pretty wallpapers

[sharpes-hussy.livejournal.com]

**nods**
It has bothered me a lot that they have taken
this complex character and turned him into
something I frankly don't recognize......
One reason I despised Star Trek so much was their
campness and this seems headed in same direction.
IMO, Sheppard is not about silliness and spoof...

BTW who is sheyla??

Re: All those new characters will be just pretty wallpapers

[anuna-81.livejournal.com]

Well sheyla isn't a person. It's a very ugly entity living in some of the writers heads.... it's sheppard/teyla as in "romance". Which looks like incest to me.

Sparky is John/Elizabeth. They at least had chemistry, but I won't bother you with my ramblings about that. We'll agree I guess that Season 1 John was amazing. ;)

Re: Sheyla

[sharpes-hussy.livejournal.com]

Sheppard and Teyla?
I don't think so.
>:-(
I ran head on into something about this when
I had the affront to mention what the
consequences would be.
The writer told me to buzz off
'after all, it IS fiction.' Yes, but if you are
writing about a character who is the CO of the
military expedition on Atlantis, then let's speak about it with some reality. There is no morale
if this happened, and Sheppard is not stupid enough to ignore that. I had a problem in one eps where Teyla is telling him what to do. He says NO and she does not quit.....she continues until he says 'what part of no don't you understand?'
(words like it). It really really annoyed me.
If she is unhappy about his command, then she ought to head back to the Authosians....
He does not need that kind of disorder in his team.........which would spread to the rest of his command. Same goes for the romance angle.
That kind of involvement always spells disaster.

[borg-princess.livejournal.com]

You know what the funny thing is? I went back today to see if my comments were still there- the one replying to the person who had a go at Torri was still there, but my second comment wasn't! I thought the first would be the more likely one to cause offense and get deleted, but it was my opinion on the all-girl team that's gone! I have no idea why- oh, wait, I had a go at the writers' blatant efforts to frak the show over for a ratings gimmick...hmmm, we're not allowed to criticize the decisions they make anymore?

Ah, Nicole- someone said that she looked enough like Torri and should replace her as Weir. *chokes* Moving on from that nonsense, I didn't like her on DS9, she struck me as a Keller-like character, really- all helpless and fragile and needing the guy to help her out. Okay, I didn't watch much of DS9 after she turned up, but that was my impression of her anyway. Maybe she got a spine after I stopped watching? But she never had the sass and spirit I liked in Jadzia.

Long live fanfic!

I guess her fans don't mean anything to her.

[sharpes-hussy.livejournal.com]

You will note it begins with the magic word,
'guess', therefore, it is someone assuming that is why she quit........
Her reason was probably more along the line, and here I am also guessing, that the SGA execs could not decide if they wanted her, or did not want her, and she wanted something more definite.
If that is the case, I don't blame her. Why commit to something that is not a sure thing?
It limits her other work possibilities.
I could not believe they dumped her and Paul.
But recently I heard he was not even considered for the role of Scottie in new make of Star Trek.

Re: I guess her fans don't mean anything to her.

[borg-princess.livejournal.com]

The magic word means that if someone says, 'that's not why Torri quit', then they can say, 'it was speculation'. I use words like 'guess', 'suppose', 'maybe', 'perhaps' and so on to cover my butt all the time, because I'm not stating a fact, I'm stating my opinion. However, those qualifiers don't mean that they can say what they want, no matter how disrespectful it is. I don't have a problem with people speculating, it's when they say crap like that then I want to rip heads off. I don't know how many times the mods have come into the anti threads and said not to make comments about actors- Amanda and Jewel in particular- but they don't seem to worry about things against Torri's reputation.

And I agree with your guess, btw. ;) I wouldn't want to hang around, hoping to be called into work for what is probably another 30 second, two line scene. You're right, it hurts her work schedule if she's looking to commit to something else, to have SGA lurking in the background, and the writers assuming they can get her in whenever they snap their fingers. It was hilarious, someone asked on Joe's blog a while back whether they'd talked to Torri yet about confirming she'd do the new ep, and he said no, they hadn't called her, but he was certain she'd do it- WRONG. It's like they think she's available at their convenience. Pfft.

Awwww, Paul would've been perfect as Scottie! I looked through the list of actors signed onto the prequel, and apart from Zachary Quinto, who plays Sylar on Heroes, I don't know any of them. I wonder if Paul auditioned? Maybe he had work somewhere else and couldn't commit to it?

[alternate0ego.livejournal.com]

Yes, yes and yes to all of the above. I'm not even going comment on the Elizabeth/Torri thing, because you know how I feel about that. As for the four-woman team, I think it's just silly. Ideally, a team would have two women and two men - so when contacting civilizations, they have an equal number of representatives from both sexes. *shrugs* A four-woman team seems impractical. And, well, stupid. I'd rather see a team with and equal number of both men and women.

[borg-princess.livejournal.com]

I hadn't thought about it like that before, but you're right- you never know when a society is going to have a taboo or prejudice against one particular gender. Carter in Emancipation, case in point. I don't know if you've seen it, but basically, if we had an all-female team encountering a similar civilization, they'd be trussed up and sold as slaves at the local market, and no one would make it back to Atlantis to report that women are viewed as commodities not as human beings with equal rights as men. They'd be too busy cooking food for their owners or being beaten for disobedience.

[alternate0ego.livejournal.com]

Emancipation! That brings back memories - it was the first episode of stargate I ever watched. My two friends (who watched it with me) thought it was the stupidest crap they'd ever seen. Imagine their surprise when I got hooked on SGA. XD

(So, back on topic, the all-female team is a bad idea. And tptb are really dumb. But what's new, right?)

[sapphs.livejournal.com]

Pfft, I ignore people like that now. They aren't worth my time and honestly since Torri isn't in the show anymore I don't give a crap lol.

Although I do like anger. It's one of my favourite emotions ;)

[borg-princess.livejournal.com]

You like anger? Well, I guess I do, righteous anger, anyway. Not like, lame ill-considered bursts of anger where I destroy things and regret it afterwards.

And only when I'm on the net where I can type things out properly and think it through and look up synonyms and stuff. When I'm in a real verbal argument, I always lose because I get flustered and can't get my words out! You just need to shout louder than me, it's awful...

I know I should ignore stuff like- well, what I was ranting about in my post, but...I liked feeling like I had a cause. It's a funny thing to be all worked up about, but way more fulfilling than writing an essay on turning points for old people. *sighs*